N.A. Indian influence on US Constitution

topic posted Fri, June 10, 2005 - 7:34 PM by  Rocky
I've always been interested in the Native American Indian influence on our democratic society. Here's a start. Feel free to add more resources & links. Every American should be aware that phrases like "We the people, to form a union...." all came from Native American Indians. Enjoy.


"Introduction To The Iroquoi Constitution" -

"During the bi-centennial year of The Constitution of the United States, a number of books were written concerning the origin of that long-revered document. One of these, The Genius of the People, alleged that after the many weeks of debate a committee sa t to combine the many South Carolina. He had served in an earlier time, along with Ben Franklin and others, at the Stamp Act Congress, held in Albany, New York. This Committee of Detail was having trouble deciding just how to formalize the many items of discussion into one document that would satisfy one and all. Rutledge proposed they model the new government they were forming into something along the lines of th e Iroquois League of which he had observed in Albany. While there were many desirable, as well as undesirable, models from ancient and modern histories in Europe and what we know now as the Middle East, only the Iroquois had a system that seemed to meet most of the demands espoused by the many parties to the debates. The Genius of the People alleged that the Iroquois had a Constitution which began: "We the people, to form a union...."

That one sentence was enough to light a fire under me, and cause me to do some deep research into ancient Iroquoian lore. I never did find that one sentence backed up in what writings there drafting of our own Constitution, and we present-day Americans owe them a very large debt. At the time of the founding of the Iroquois League of Nations, no written language existed; we have only the ear was a written language, and interpreters available, to record that early history. One such document is listed below.

There are several other documents now available in various places which refer to the original founding of the Iroquois, and they seem to substantiate this document as probably truthful and accurate. This version was prepared by Arthur C. Parker, Archeolo gist of the State Museum in New York in 1915, and published by the University of the State of New York as Bulletin 184 on April 1, 1916. It is entitled: The Constitution of the Five Nations - or - The Iroquois Book of the Great Law. In it, you will find close parallels to our Executive, Legislative and Judiciary branches of government as originally described in our U. S. Constitution.

You will find it very difficult to keep in mind that it survives after some 500 or 600 years, and was originated by people that our ancestors mistakenly considered as "savages". Some sources place the origin of the Five Nation Confederacy as early as 1390 AD, but others insist it was prepared about 1450-1500 AD; in any case, it was well before any possible contamination by European invaders. Early explorers and colonists found the Iroquois well established, as they had for many generations: with a democratic government; with a form of religion that acknowledged a Creator in heaven; with a strong sense of family which was based on, and controlled by, their women; and many other surprises you will soon discover.

It must also be pointed out that this document refers to the "Five" Nations, while other references to the Confederacy speak of the "Six" nations. From the inception, there were the Five Nations discussed in this Constitution. In about 1715, the Tuscaro ra Nation, once part of the Iroquois peoples in a much earlier-period of their history, moved up from North Carolina to avoid warfare with the invading white settlers, and were adopted into the Confederacy. At this point in time, the Iroquois controlled many parts of our now eastern states from their homelands in what is now New York State."

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  • Re: N.A. Indian influence on US Constitution

    Fri, June 10, 2005 - 7:35 PM
    I started the "Separation of church & state" tribe. In which you're all welcome to join. I wanted to know how American Indians feel about the First Amendments - separation of church & state? I'd like to learn more about the influence American Indians had on our Founding Fathers, our US Constitution & our democratic society. So feel free to join the "Separation of church & state" tribe & share resources, info & links. It would be so appreciated. thank you.
    • Re: N.A. Indian influence on US Constitution

      Thu, October 13, 2005 - 10:38 PM
      You're in the "Separation of church & state" tribe, right?

      Here's a petition I threw together real quick feel free to fix any errors etc.

      Pagan Petition:

      The U.S. Constitution is a wholly secular & legal document. It contains no mention of Jesus Christ, Christianity or god. In fact, the Constitution refers to religion only twice –in the First Amendment, which bars laws "respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," and in Article VI, which prohibits "religious tests" for public office. Both of these provisions are evidence that the country was not founded as officially Christian. Our nation was founded as a secular government, based on the authority of "We, the People," not a god, king, or dictator. The United States of America is the first nation in history to separate church and state.

      Until now, the issue with Wiccan priestess Cynthia Simpson in Chesterfield County, Virginia is an outrage. She wanted to offer a generalized prayer & was denied because she was not of the Judeo-Christian faiths. The court admitted discrimination towards "Native Americans, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Wiccans, or members of any other religion".

      This does not describe the America that our forefathers fought for at all. This is religious one-upmanship, Christian favoritism. We are not going to take this anymore. To the degree that OUR country become a "Christian nation", is relative to the degree in which we are no longer free.

      Contact Your Elected Officials -

      FirstGov encourages you to contact your elected officials and share your thoughts on current events and government policy. Below you'll find links to e-mail addresses, as well as phone numbers and mailing addresses for key elected officials.

    • Re: N.A. Indian influence on US Constitution

      Sun, October 16, 2005 - 12:43 PM
      This is an outrage, is anybody paying attention?

      Hexed: Wiccan priestess loses in high court:
      She challenged county that won't let her deliver prayer at meetings

      Oct. 11, 2005

      WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court rejected an appeal on Tuesday from a Wiccan priestess angry that local leaders would not let her open their sessions with a prayer.

      Discrimination alleged -

      The county “issues invitations to deliver prayers to all Christian, Muslim, and Jewish religious leaders in the country. It refuses to issue invitations to Native Americans, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Wiccans, or members of any other religion,” justices were told in her appeal by American Civil Liberties Union lawyer Rebecca Glenberg.

      So, you have a freedom of religion in the US, so long as it is of the Judeo-Christian faiths. Everything else is being discriminated against.


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